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If you eat zero carbohydrate, do you still need vitamin C, and does everyone need to go that far?

What the experts say

Anthony ChaffeePhysician · strict carnivore, evolutionary framing

No supplement is needed once carbohydrate is gone, and for people who remain symptomatic the answer is to narrow further, not to reintroduce.

What it rests onHe argues carbohydrate competes with vitamin C for uptake in the gut (he names the GLUT4 receptor), so the requirement falls when carbohydrate is removed, and that meat supplies already-hydrolysed proline and lysine so the collagen reaction that fails in scurvy does not need vitamin C to catalyse it. He supports it with the observation that carnivore eaters do not present with scurvy and with a historical reading of British naval scurvy. This is his own account of the mechanism, receptor and all.

Source: adaptyourlifeacademy.com ↗
Eric Charles WestmanMD, MHS · internist and Associate Professor of Medicine, Duke University

Vitamin C requirement is plausibly conditional on how you eat, and that is a reason to test the question rather than to assume everyone belongs at the strictest end.

What it rests onIn the same interview he raises vitamin C as his own challenge, answers it by citing Steve Phinney that 'We handle vitamin C differently with different ways of eating', and says in his own voice 'At the same time, I'm not totally convinced that everyone needs a carnivore diet'. Separately, on his own site, he writes 'Not everyone needs to be on strict keto, which might be a surprise to those who are in the keto echo chamber', and frames the task as finding your own carbohydrate threshold. He is not arguing that carnivore is unsafe: his site publishes carnivore guides under his review.

Source: adaptyourlifeacademy.com ↗

Overview

Chaffee is talking about people already at zero carbohydrate, most often people using the diet to treat a condition. Westman is talking about the general population choosing where on the carbohydrate spectrum to sit, and he treats carnivore as a subtype of low-carbohydrate eating rather than as a separate thing. They are not disagreeing about the same person, and both concede the biochemical point that requirement varies with the diet.

Where they agree

Both agree scurvy is not observed in carnivore eaters, both hold that carbohydrate is not an essential nutrient, and both prefer real food to supplements. The disagreement is about universality: whether the strictest version is the destination for everyone or the right answer for a subset.

What would settle it

Measured vitamin C status and clinical outcomes in long-term zero-carbohydrate eaters, which neither side has. On the universality question, Westman's own carbohydrate-threshold survey applied to people who tried carnivore and stopped would move it faster than any trial.

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